Fresher Take

Finding Your Confidence

March 16, 2021 UoL Student Life Season 2 Episode 7
Fresher Take
Finding Your Confidence
Show Notes Transcript

Ben, Becki and special guest George talk all about confidence in this full episode of the Fresher Take podcast. Streaming now on all major platforms.

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Ben: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fresher Take. My name is Ben. 

 

Becki: My name is Becki  

 

Ben: And today we're going to be looking at confidence. So how to build your confidence and how to maintain confidence whilst at University and to do that as always, We are joined by a very special guest. Would you like to introduce yourself?  

 

George: Hi, I'm George, I'm a first year Geography student and I'm here to talk about my own experience with confidence.  

 

Ben: Lovely thank you George lovely to meet you love to see lovely to have you on the podcast as usual, So what we'll be talking about in this episode of the podcast is confidence, confidence in everyday life and everyday activities whilst at University and within that it's important to know that as with a lot of things, there are so many different types of confidence that you can have. So for example you can have self confidence which is knowledge in your ability and confirmation in your ability so you know what you're doing is pretty good. You have body confidence for example, which means you are happy in the way that you look, and the way that you present yourself. And then there are also some other negative forms of confidence, such as unwarranted confidence. So you know, having confidence in yourself, when realistically you're maybe overestimating yourself. So there's loads more types of confidence that of course we will talk about. But they're sort of the main ones that are important to understand in order to maintain confidence, grow confidence, or even maybe even dial confidence back a little bit to ensure that you're more humble and don't overestimate yourself 'cause that can be very dangerous as well. so the first question of the podcast I'm going to ask is how do you guys build your confidence?  

 

George: Well for me, I think it's a kind of combination of finding the things you enjoy doing, so that's hobbies and you kind of through, kind of, experience you kind of, you know, you kind of find out what you- Who you are as a person through different kind of channels of of interest. And I feel like that you kind of build as you kind of find out more things through these different things. You kind of build a sense of who you are and through that you kind of can project that onto You know different aspects of different situations.  

 

Ben: Yeah.  

 

Becki: I'm fond of, like a pep talk, like a self peptalk there's alot of things I refuse to be like nervous about and so therefore I'll just sort of pep talk myself through it and be like right no, Look, we're not going to be able just to see what happens. I'm very much a. Like it is what it is kind of person like. Whatever happens happens. So in that sense I am rather I think I do exude a lot of confidence like most people would say that I was a very confident person, but I think that's just because I refuse to not be, if that makes any sense.  

 

Ben: Yeah, I think that's not necessarily a bad thing though, like when you talk about having confidence, you know having that ability to just be like it sort of is what it is you know. Don't over stress can be a really good way of help- Maybe like helping someone with their confidence. And it's quite a good tip of you know, don't sometimes things you can't control like a lot of things. So I think having that just 'yeah is what it is, You know, I've prepared for as much as I can'. For example. Yeah, I think it is a really good way of doing it.  

 

George: I also think it is important to. Kind of note that. Not to compare yourself to other people you might perceive as being more confident. You kind of. You kind of, stick to, stick to, you know, find out what you feel confident in doing and not doing you know.  

 

Ben: Yeah. I think that's like probably one of the best things you can do in the amount of times that we've talked on the podcast about comparing yourself to other people, especially when we are, you know, at home more and more, yeah, easily influenced by things like social media. You know, the ability to look at someone and go. How are they, you know so much better than me? Or how are they? You know how they are different stage in life and realistically, like you're running your own race, it doesn't matter. What other people are doing like? Yeah, take inspiration from that take, you know a little bit of understanding from like, yeah, you know what? Maybe I can take something they're doing. And apply it to my own life. But I think what you say mate is absolutely perfect of you can't compare yourself to the people, because some people are naturally just more confident than other people like I would like to say I'm quite confident person. I don't mind talking in front of people. So things like group projects and presentations don't necessarily bother me, but I know other people that could think of nothing worse than you know, being sat in front of a group of seven or eight people and reviewing a presentation that you've done.  

 

Becki: Yeah, and that's not to say that people that are like less confident or like maybe more introverted in those four situations are any worse off than people who exude confidence A lot of the time. That's not what it is at all. Everyone has their areas where they feel very confident. I'm sure that there's a topic or like an area in which people who are usually less confident in certain situations will come out and be like super confident about, they'll love talking about it. They'll love, they'll be able to like school anyone on that sort of topic. It's just people have different situations where they are more or less confident, and I think that goes for everyone, even people like you and I Ben who I would say, are rather extroverted, usually exude A large amount of confidence. I'm sure...I know that I have areas where I'm like. I'm not too sure about this. I'm not really- and that's where I think it goes into those like different kinds of confidence that you're talking about because I know for me in those situations I do tend to put on like a fake confidence. Not so much, an unwarranted one because I don't believe that I'm, you know, I'm the best at that, I can do that. I just sort of put on like a mask where I'm like. Well, I'm going to pretend that I'm confident about this because I don't want anyone to think that I'm not.  

 

Ben: Yeah, well it says here in the notes that we've made the classic fake it till you make it sort of exuded confidence of that if you act a certain way and make people think that you know what you're talking about, you inherently know what you're talking about. And I'm I'm a. I'm a not strong advocate, but I mean I have done this in the past, you know, been in a situation that maybe I'm not necessarily the most comfortable in, but as long as you can like. It literally is, as long as you can fake your way through it and make people think, you know what you're talking about. That gives you confidence. In yourself, because you've taken yourself out of your comfort zone and are more willing and more able to adapt to other scenarios that come your way. So I think it's not necessarily a bad thing to fake it till you make it.  

 

George: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point, I think, um. And it is all about kind of. Pushing yourself almost to kind of act in this sort of. Kind of being sure sure of yourself and. I think that's how you learn confidence, really. I think it's all through kind of experience and kind of you build it up as you go along sort of thing.  

 

Ben: Yeah. But like not everyone is going to have confidence, you know, straight out of the box, you know. I mean no, no one has given you the perfect confidence package to go "there you are mate, you're sorted in life" and I think, you know, a lot of people Sort of see that as a kind of a negative thing. But I think you have to realize that a lot of the things that you've done in life, like negative things and things that have, you know, maybe not gone your way, have built you to the person you are now. So like like you said, George going back to. You know you're able to do different things and you need to learn from experiences you know, take the negatives of, "I really messed up my presentation", Or "do you know what? I said something really stupid to that person that I really shouldn't have done?" Or when you know someone says something ridiculous in like a shop for example, and you say "you too" when they are. Have a good day and you say something really stupid like thank you or you know what I'm talking about, them sort of weird situations. Instead of looking at them as like a negative thing, like when people say happy birthday and you go, "you too". It's like Oh no, no that's really stupid but it's not. It's not a negative thing, it's you know you reacted probably maybe in a way that wasn't perfect, but that doesn't mean that you're going to do that again in the future. You know you learn from things, you adapt, you can overcome them in the in the future, and I think that's a good thing to have and a good thing for you to bring up mate, because if you don't do that then you're never going to learn. You never going to develop, and you're always going to be the same, which no one wants to be really. And it sort of goes back to to a poll that we did on the UoL Student Life Instagram. We had a few questions and a few polls for the listeners of the Fresher Take podcast to answer, and we will be, you know, dropping in some statistics throughout this episode. Just to, you know, give you a little bit of insight into, you know, how other people think and how other people function. And of the people that answered. We asked them did you- Would you describe self confident person? And 32 people said yes, whereas 39 people said no. So it's a very sort of. Equal balance of people that would describe themselves as confident, which maybe could allude to self confidence and 39%- 39 people rather, that sort of go. No, you know, maybe more humble or less confident in their abilities. What do you guys think of that?  

 

George: Well. Yeah, I think it's right. I kind of agree. That's kind of like- you know you get some kind of an even sort of balance between people who are confident and people who maybe not as. But, well, you know confidence is like, I mean, it's almost hard to define. Because of the fact that it's variable depending on the person. And I feel, yeah. 'cause everyone measures it differently. You know. So, like people who are saying that they're not confident might use, you know. Kind of. Talking about the fact that they are not confident speaking to people whereas someone else in the same. Also saying that they're not confident might be talking about. They're not confident in their academic ability. You know this is, you know it's. Extremely variable, you know?  

 

Becki: Yeah, yeah, I think not an interesting point actually. 'cause I was going to say how? What is confidence? How do you measure confidence? Are you talking about confidence in a certain area? Are you talking about confidence in social situations, in academic situations like? I think it's interesting what people associate confidence with. Like I know, a lot of people that probably associate confidence with arrogance or like there's a fine line between those two things. You know what I mean, but also people Could associate with like a lack of ability or questioning their ability or having questions about themselves and their abilities. So I think it's a very interesting. It's an interesting question, but interesting perhaps to try and think about how people would have been thinking about the word confidence when they answered that question, because I think- So- Oh go on Ben. No no go go go. I was gonna say I think it's. It's interesting the different ways that you look at it, because if you're talking about it in a sense of like a lack of belief in yourself or a lack of belief in your abilities, then that can affect so many different areas of your life as well that go far beyond just having confidence like it can affect if you're like going up for a job or going up for like maybe a scholarship or something because you don't believe in yourself and therefore you won't apply because you think well, I won't get it because I don't have this or I don't have that, or it's very interesting. 

 

Ben: Yeah, So what do you guys think Confidence is then? and sort of leading on from that, Have you got any tips of how you personally have sort of grown your confidence over, you know, being at uni?  

 

George: Well, I think it has a lot to do with being yourself and being sort of sure of yourself and I feel like, yeah, that comes from experience and especially I feel like. Something as big as moving to University for a lot of people, that would be kind of a big push in the right direction, because you're kind of. Getting your independence and you're doing all these new new things. Meeting with all these different types of new people sorry I feel like. Experience and. Yeah, just you know, having experiences and kind of broadening your horizons is of, is how you kind of grow your confidence. In terms of being sure in who you are.  

 

Becki: Yeah, yeah, I would agree I think. It is like a it's a self assurance I believe it does start like in yourself like yes it is helpful for other people to be like encouraging and to tell you that you know that you've got that. You're good at something or something like that. Like in the poll it says. Where is it? Where's the question? "Does someone else's belief in you improve your confidence?" 69 people said yes to that and seven said no so. It's so helpful for other people to be able to believe in you as well, but I do think it does. That can either like Spark you believing in yourself or it can improve your own Self confidence. and your belief in yourself. I do agree with George and what he's saying it does. It is about like you and believing in your abilities and what you can and can't do and things like that.  

 

Ben: Yeah, it's really interesting though I think because like, me, personally I've always struggled with being able to admit my own strengths, if that makes sense. So yeah, you know, because of past experiences and because of interactions with people you know, it's sometimes hard to admit you know what I am actually quite good at something because you instantly think that you're going to come across as arrogant or cocky and you know this, 'I'm biggest person in the room', but the moment you accept that, you know what, you are actually really good at whatever it is you do or whatever it is you love to do. It might not be the same as everyone else you know someone else in your class or in your seminar group. Whatever, might be really, really good at communicating ideas to people, but might be really poor creatively, for example. Or someone else might be a maths genius and some people can't even add up like their shopping, how much your shopping costs. And you know, not everyone is. It's obvious to say that not everyone is going to be great at the same thing, but I think having confidence in yourself and ability to go. No, you know what I am actually really good at what I do. I think that could breed a lot of confidence in in other areas like George was saying. You know it's so important to be yourself and don't ever try- and whilst we say you know sometimes fake it till you make it is an OK strategy to adopt, not in everyday life. You know? if you are out with friends or you know you're socializing with people, you know faking who you are. Maybe is not the best thing to do. But having confidence in yourself and being able to be who you are, you know feeling free enough to say to people. Yeah you know what I am this, that, the other. Is really good because it allows you just to feel so much more relaxed and the more relaxed you are, the more confident you are. It's you know on the poll again, we'll go back to it. We asked "when do you feel less confident?" and a load of people said live Uni exams, assessments, presentations. You know, because you're sat there, you're stressing about it. You're gonna feel less confident, but if you relax yourself and you're confident in your abilities of no do you know what, I've done enough revision for this. I know what I'm talking about. You can go in there and smash it. Regardless of how you think you've done, you've gone, you've done it. You've smashed it like how can you not be confident in the fact that you've done something you didn't want to do? Yeah. Definitely. It sort of leads me perfectly onto my next question, then of, how have you guys sort of, have you guys faced any adversity when it comes to confidence? Has there been a time where you know your confidence has been rock bottom and you've done something to improve that? You know, if you've got any anecdotes and stories Of course if you feel comfortable talking about them of ways that you personally have become more confident and become more sound in yourself.  

 

Becki: For me. I thought I had it on from like both sides of the spectrum, so I either. Like exude a lot of confidence to the point where it can probably be viewed as arrogance or I am like not too sure about myself, but. I very rarely, and this is probably not the greatest thing, Very rarely let people see that. So I can feel very like not confident in what I'm doing or not confident in. Like if it's a test or a coursework or a presentation or something like that. And even though I'm feeling not confident, I am very much a person that will try and just figure out myself rather than you know, maybe asking for help or asking someone like, what do you think? Or do you think this makes sense or something like that. So I usually have my own sort techniques where I will. Really sit, take stock. I'm fond of, like writing down like lists of what I can do or what's going to make me less stressed or feel more confident about the subject or what- you know what I mean, and I'll do that instead of. Of talking to someone or talking to. Like a housemate or coursemate or something like that, and I do think that that is not probably not the greatest strategy is dealing with it. At the same time, I do find like those self pep talks effective for me, and they do make me go. Oh wait, no, I can do this. I I've done this before. and that relates to that or I've done that before and that means I've got these skills that will help me do this. That's kind of how I. Sort of, get around any tasks or situations where my confidence is lacking.  

 

Ben: Wow, yeah, well that sounds like you've got it sort of nailed down and I think your ability to understand that it's not necessarily the the affirmation of others that you need, it's more, can you find solace and happiness within yourself to be able to go. No you know, one like said, I am good at doing this thing instead of being like guys am I am I am I really good? and for other people to give you that sort of affirmation. Yeah, the ability that you've got to. Find it within yourself is is really impressive. So what about you then George? What sort of you know adversities have you faced whilst at uni or at college or just in day-to-day life that have that has made you build your confidence?  

 

George: So especially especially like at the start of the first term, like when you first join, you first start getting into lectures and you know getting assigned work and you- especially at the start, It was very kind of overwhelming and you did. There was moments when you sort of. I kind of doubted if you would be able to do it, especially like I did doubt, you know, if I'd be able to finish the assignments on time and you know, if I was even capable of actually doing the assignment. But I kind of, I think. What worked for me was kind of just. Kind of riding the waves sort of, just kind of getting on with it, getting stuck in and just once you're kind of in the environment you kind of fully immerse yourself. You kind of feel part like- it's kind of hard to explain, it's like, uh. Once you're comfortable in the environment you kind of you get used to it and then you start getting some grades back and stuff and it's not as bad as you thought it was going to be. It's alright, and you kind of from that, You know, alright I can do this, you know, it's fine. You just have to tell yourself it will be fine. I'll be fine. So yeah.  

 

Ben: No, that again, that's that's like a perfect example of how you've taken a bit of adversity and a bit of worry and just got jumped right into it and literally immerse yourself in it so you almost can't escape it. Which which is good because I am a firm believer in, you know, direct exposure to a problem. If you're struggling with something, the worst thing you can do is hide away from it and be scared to do it, because then in your head it's more of an issue than it already is, and the analogy that I thought of when you were saying jump straight in it. It's a really niche one, and hopefully you'll know what I'm saying. You know, like when you go on holiday. Right and you jump in the swimming pool for the first time, and it's absolutely freezing, right? And you stood there on the edge. And you're dipping your toe and you're thinking. I don't. I don't want to do this boys. I can't do this and then someone like your mates or your parents will go "jump in!", once you're in, it's fine. It is, it is so true once you once you jump into the freezing cold pool and warm yourself up you go. Oh it's fine. What was that? What was I worried about? You know 10 minutes ago standing there going. Oh it's really cold, you know? And that was the analogy I got of what you were saying of sometimes and maybe most of the time. I would argue the best thing to do is fully immerse yourself in what you're doing and like you said, you become so immersed in it and so encapsulated by it that you end up on the fly learning about your problems, learning what you can and can't do, learning where you need to improve. And like you said, with your grades, you're sat there going aw. I've butchered this. I've butchered this presentation and then you get you get like a I don't know maybe a 60 or 70 and you go you know what I've actually done better than I thought- I thought I did and then. All your previously perceived problems have magically sort of just gone away in you just getting on with it.  

 

Becki: Yeah, definitely it. It's kind of like people think that you have to sort of sink or swim in any kind of situation. You know? I mean, like you're either going to do really, really bad or you're going to do really well. There is a middle ground, and that middle ground does also teach you things as does sinking and as does swimming. And that's the same thing with confidence. Really confident in one area, sure, fine, you're swimming through life, but if you're really bad in another one, what can you learn from that? What can you take from that and apply to a future situation? What have you already done that you can apply to this situation in order to become more confident? Skills are transferable. People, I know people don't really understand that as well. They think Oh well, I've never done this before, OK, but what have you done that's around that? Anything that has similar, you know skills or similar similar activities involved? Will that help you, I think. It's sometimes you just have to sit and think to take stock and other times you have to jump in and you have to be like I can do this. I've got this. What is the worst that can happen? I'm I'm newly new to like a positive outlook positive mindset. You know. I mean, like always thinking about positive, the positive outcomes of things, always thinking about what positively could happen rather than focusing on the negative. I think that's a very good thing for improving people's confidence is just being like no look, if I do this. Then either way, I'm going to learn something. I'm either going to not do well, and I'm going to learn what, how to do better, or I'm going to do well and realize that I was actually really good at this, and I actually should have, you know, had some more confidence in myself and went. No, I I can do this.  

 

Ben: Yeah, absolutely, and I think what we were all alluding to there is just you gotta just do it. It's it's. It's awful to say that you know, nerves can get the better of you know your own mind can get the better of you, you know being like you shouldn't do this, shouldn't do it, but I think everything we've been saying is sort of just you gotta just do it you, there's no way you're ever going to tackle something if you don't hit it face on. If you don't go no, you gotta give it a good go. Because if you don't. What have you learned? All you've learned is this is still a problem, whereas if you do it and it didn't go very well. For example, you go right, OK, didn't go very well. Why didn't go very well? And like you said, Becki, and as George alluded to as well, taking stock of what you've done, what you can and can't do if you've never done something you can't say you're bad at it because you've never done it. And again, this moves me perfectly on to um to another, you know, little topic that I think is important to note, is that sometimes you can always help other people's confidence as well, and I think that that's really important to look at because it's not always about. How do you think, How do you see yourself? As much as it is important to understand what you're good at, what you're not good at, where you need to improve. I think as well, having confidence in other people is really important, because, again, a little anecdote here of nothing annoys me more than when someone is in like a lesson, for example, and they'll say something. You know, they'll answer a question, for example, or they'll present a piece of work and then they instantly preface that with, ah, but I'm unsure of if it's any good or I'm unsure if that's the right answer, you know? And it hurts me to see that because then they're not having, you know, confidence in themselves to be able to say what they think is the answer. Yeah, and I think by- especially with group projects and stuff, if you are able to see that in other people and you can go, No, you know what, that's a really good answer. I never thought of it that way. You know, building confidence in other people is just as important, and again, we'll go back to the poll. Do you have confidence in other people, you know? Do you believe in them? 41 said yes and 34 said no. And again, that's great to see you know, positive. Well, an overwhelmingly positive number of people say, do you know what? I do have confidence in other people, I do believe in other people and I think that is a is a really important thing to have as well. You know it's not. There's no good, you just being the best or the most confident. You know other people have got to feel that as well. And if sometimes if you are, if you have confidence in them, they'll have confidence in themselves, which means you know who knows you could form a fantastic friendship or a fantastic, you know, work relationship with them. You know by having confidence and believing in other people as well as yourself, is it's almost like a two way street of you help someone and you also help yourself because you have confidence in them which means they then have confidence in themselves which makes you feel confident that you've given them confidence. How many times can I say confidence in one sentence?  

 

Becki: So many, so many apparently. I get what you're saying though. It can also be really beneficial in like you think about it the things that we do at uni are ultimately, for the workplace. It's to prepare us for going into the workplace. You have to have a certain amount of confidence in someone else because you probably will be working in teams. You- and if you don't, it will lead you into such a bad mindset where you'll be thinking about how they're doing their job or how they're doing something like on a project that you're working on and you think oh maybe I'm going to have to fix that or blah blah blah. You have confidence in someone else's ability, in in someone else in the way in which they work. Then it can take so much pressure off of you, especially if you're like a team leader or something like that, and you'll know, you'll be able to. No, no wait, no, they've got this. Say, I believe that they have this and therefore I can do my job without having to. You know, worry or stress or- about what's going to happen, so there's so many different layers to having confidence in someone else that can help you so much.  

 

George: I feel like it's important to always be kind of constructive instead of critical, I think, so important, kind of. I think if you're always constructive, you know, it's almost like a symbiosis you can create with somebody, and you know, you're kind of benefiting off each other 'cause. You know it's like a sort of, you know, you're there for me. I'm going to be there for you when you need something.  

 

Ben: Yeah, that that relationship you have with people like you said is is the most beneficial thing you can have and there's no. You know there are. There is always a time and a place for criticism, I believe, but I think like you said, George, if you're more than- more often than not positive and more often than not supportive. Like you said, they're going to be there for you just as you are for them, which in turn creates a workforce of confident people as opposed to say just one person where they go right. You can, you can do the talking, or you can do the work because I don't believe in myself, yeah. I think it's just, you know. I think confidences is. Is like a really good thing to have and you know everything we've talked about today I think will definitely help. Hopefully help someone out. And we're not just, you know, sat, waffling and. At the end of the day. You know, we've all said it, and we've all alluded to it of confidence doesn't come in one form, you know, to have confidence is so many different things. Like I said, it will go back to the different types of confidence that there are. You know you've got self confidence, confidence in yourself. Body confidence, confidence in the way that you look, in the way that you feel, in the way that you present yourself around other people. You've got unwarranted confidence, you know, maybe. Are you overestimating yourself? Are you thinking that you are better than you actually are? And do you therefore need to reassess? You know the way that you think you know there's so many different types of confidence and there's so many different ways that you can help. It's just that these are the experiences that we've had and how you can hopefully take them. Take note of them and try, and you know, adapt yourself to be a better person overall. And just to end the podcast, let's say, do you guys have any final words? You know, final words of encouragement for confidence, or like a top tip or something like that?  

 

George: Um? Like, face every situation as if, you know, as if you're gonna, there's only two outcomes, you know, you'll, You'll flourish, you'll do well, or maybe it won't go as well and you will have a lesson at the end of it. You know this is a win win. At the end of the day.  

 

Becki: Yeah, I say don't associate confidence with being like right all the time. The amount of times I raised my hand and confidently said the wrong answer to something, is, is staggering, but I've learnt something. I've learned something along the way. It's probably embarrassing, but it was a learning experience so you don't. Ask questions, you don't always have to be right about something. It's OK to be feeling your way around. Everyone's figuring it out, everyone's figuring out how to be confident in themselves and how to you know survive in their life and in their career field.   

 

Ben: Yeah, I think I think having confidence in knowing that you could be wrong or confidently saying the wrong answer is a really good thing to have because again, you're not scared to. You're constantly looking for improvement, which is which is really good. And I've got a little activity as well, which is what I will end the podcast on, and so the activity for this podcast is something that I have called positive affirmation and direct exposure. So what that means is at the beginning of every day, if you're not feeling the most confident in the world, and we've already discussed it very slightly, what I want you to do is I want you to make a list, or even just think of in your head five things that you are happy with. Five things that you think I'm really good at, or five things that I may be grateful for, or. Five things that I can now do that I couldn't do a year ago and what that will do is it will allow you to take stock, as we've said, of your life of things you can and can't do and will allow you to not only feel more confident in yourself but also give you the ability to help other people out and even help yourself out with the things that aren't really your strong points. And that's OK. You know it takes a lot of confidence to admit that you're not good at something as much as it takes confidence to say. I'm the best at something, so that's step number one. And the second step is direct exposure. And again we've said this again and again on the podcast of just get involved. Jump into every situation as if you know you want to give it 100% because there are only one of two outcomes, you do really well and you learn something from that, or you don't do very well and you learn something from that. You know there is really no negative to just getting involved with everything, whether that be you know, I embarrass myself a little bit or I said something stupid. Realistically, in the grand scheme of the world, who really cares if you're constantly evolving, constantly Engaging with things and constantly trying to make yourself a better person, I personally see no downside to just giving it a good go. And that is where we will end this episode of the Fresher Take podcast. Thank you very much for listening or watching. We hope you enjoyed it. As always, as always, thank you so much to Becki for helping me. Oh thank you, thank you very much. Yeah, you too. And of course a massive thank you to George for getting involved this podcast. It's been a pleasure mate, thanks.  

 

George: It's been a pleasure to be here talking to you guys.  

 

Ben: It's nice that we're doing something right and we're not boring our guests to death, which is always always a good thing here at the Fresher Take podcast. And as always, if you are interested in more of the highest quality student based content around, make sure you stay locked to all of the UoL Student Life's YouTube or social channels including YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, Instagram. Have I forgot anything? I don't think I have. I think they are all the things we've got. We've got pretty much everything. If you search @UoLStudentLife, on any sort of social media or content creation channel we're probably there. Thank you again for listening or watching as always, and until next time we'll see you later.  

 

Becki: Bye!